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Article Source: Israel Hayom
"They issued tough declarations to placate the Israelis, but failed to take determined steps against Iran, and we're losing precious time. In any case, the Iranians had noticed this lack of determination. Yaalon believes that a nuclear Iran is worse than an Israeli attack."
Dan Margalit
With US politicking and maneuvering in top form, all it is doing is exacerbating an already tense situation. The US needs to pick a side, or pick a position, and stick to it. Just wishing the whole thing would go away is irresponsible, at best.
And this:
On the one hand, the U.S. refuses to impose stiff economic measures against Iran, because it fears rising oil prices (that would be bad for a president in an election year). On the other hand, neither Barak nor Obama wish to be portrayed as leaders who were deterred from addressing the world’s central problem (that would also be bad for a president in an election year).
That is just wrong. Do what needs to be done. We are people in this world, and if we have to go back to horse and buggy, then we have to go back to horse and buggy. And rather than worrying about the rising price of fossil fuels, how about upping the research on alternative energy theories, including solar cell?
#2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:19 AM ESTLevi:
We know this isn't about the price of oil, or the cost of things. That is the hook in the jaw that God said He places in Israels enemies mouth's.
Of course Persia is a threat, as is Russia, as are most of the middle East nation's to Israel. But we also know why Israel is in this position don't we ?? She has denied The Messiah and it is being shown to her that she is wrong, like a woman who leaves her husband to whore around. She is receiving what God said would come her way.
I'm praying that those in Israel are reading the scriptures and seeing the promises come true, for His Rapture of His Church is coming soon. Then it will be the Israeli's who evangelize for Christ.
The woes are here my friend, and though I do not rejoice in the sorrows to come. I rejoice in The Revelations of God being shown as true. Every one cries for peace, but there will no peace but a false one made by the anti-christ.
Israel deserted her Savior, but her Savior has not deserted her. For those who study the promises of God this is just another piece of the promise being shown.
Many will say the innocent people are being destroyed. The Innocent One was put to death almost 2000 years ago and rose again as our Savior. Politics will not save anyone, but will bring about the anti-christ with his false promises and lies.
Cowboy Grandpa, we discern the times, and search the Scriptures to understand. I am in absolute awe to see even a fraction of what God is doing in the earth.
Yes, it is true that Israel has been under punishment for the rejection of their Messiah. Jesus said it was because they did not recognize the hour of their visitation.
If we consider Ezekiel 4, and how Ezekiel was commanded to lie on one side, then the other, one day for each year of Israel's punishment, then add the multiplier of 7 which is found in Leviticus 21, and do the calculations...understanding that the Biblical year is 360 days, with 30 day months (no leap year)....we discover that Israel's rebirth on May 15th, 1948 was a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy to the day.
http://www.grantjeffrey.com/pdf/JeffBIBLE-EzekVision2.pdf
The time of Israel's punishment for their rejection of Messiah was over in 1948. Understanding that God's works are measured in 'seasons' and 'times', rather than days and months and years, God will work out the national conversion of Israel to acceptance and adoration of their (our) Messiah when He determines is the right time. I cannot prove it, but I discern that this will happen immediately following the rapture of the Church. People do come to faith in Jesus during the Great Tribulation. Consider Revelation 7:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+7&version=NIV
REJOICE! My brother! Our redemption draws near!!!
Oh, and as for the one called the "Antichrist" (actually a misnomer), I don't think he'll be Catholic, but he'll make a covenant with the Catholic church. The Papacy of Catholicism I am convinced is the Beast of Revelation 13. I know I was always of the opinion that these are future events, but fact is, they were future to Daniel and the Apostle John. There are many descriptions and scriptural declarations that point to this as being true. Only common interpretation of prophetic scriptures has not fully explained these truths.
how about upping the research on alternative energy theories, including solar cell?
The technologies have been around for many decades. If the love affair with oil was ended, the proverbial stone could kill a lot more birds than just the two.
#3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:26 AM ESTYeah, the oil lobby may find it hard to maintain interest in their product when it's $5 or $6 a gallon.
good grief...i remember when gasoline was 33 cents. The same price as a pack of cigarettes. hhhmmmm...come to think of it, the prices of both products always seem to be around the same thing. Cigarettes aren't good for us...maybe gasoline isn't either.
The true position on Iran is that Russia and China have shown their cards. They are backing Iran. So let me ask you Levi, if you were the President, what would be your first priority? The citizens of the United States of course. Israel can not afford to do a premptive strike on her own. She is using Faux News, Jerusalem Post, Gingrich, Santorum and all of the other Netanyahu influenced neocon right wingers in our government to convince us that Iran is a danger to us and the world. Santorum just said yesterday that an Iranian missle could hit Missouri. How dumb can you be?!
Enjoy this opinion from an editorial from HAARETZ.com dated 1/29/12
Netanyahu, with Barak's help, has turned the Iranian nuclear threat into an impressive ploy to distract attention from settlement policy and the perpetuation of the occupation. He has taken advantage of President Barack Obama's preoccupation with the U.S. presidential elections and Obama's fear of the Jewish right.
Now, don't misinterpret me. I believe that the ruling party of Iran is a threat to the world, just as I believe that Israel's ruling right wingers are a threat as well. Many Israelis are tired of Netanyahu's tough talk, and iron fist towards the Palestinians. It is hard for us to believe that Iran poses a threat, well, because GW Bush really messed up with Iraq's WMDs. It was all smoke and mirrors, and well, we suffered a lot for that decision.
The reason we got away with Iraq, is that Russia and China got to share in the spoils of that war. Iran is different. And so is Syria. There is a real threat that we could be retalliated against by the other two superpowers. Russia and China have also vetoed against sanctions on Iran. Now Chavez is crying over on this side of the hemisphere that the current Iranian sanctions are affecting his country.
I just wish those who love Israel as much as this country, would back off, and give the sanctions some time to work. But by all means, do not instigate aggression. There was an article right here on the Vine that mentioned a Jewish American who arrogantly published a piece about how Obama should be taken out, so Biden can work with Israel. What?! Is that what it is going to take? An assasination on our President, and blamed on the Iranians?!
I think Panetta made it clear enough. The US will not help Israel with a premptive strike. And if Israel should by some dumb decision, go ahead and do this, the US will protect its interest first and foremost. I think the US is saying, that we do not believe that Iran is even close to nuclear launch capability. However, if this escalates and we end up in the middle of it, we will take care of our interests first.
So my best and most humble advice is for Israel to get to the table and talk peace and border issues with the Palestinians.
#4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:03 AM ESTA. Commentator, I suppose that, outside of Ha'aretz saying so, there isn't any evidence for the deflection issue. And that's an easy charge to make. Try to disprove it, even though it's a natural consequence. You said yourself that Iran is a threat to the world. Is that a little threat, or a threat in word only? What does it mean that Iran is a threat to the world? If Obama and Panetta do not think that Iran would target the US if they can, then they are truly most blinded. What would be the harm of Iran sending a nuke to the US? Would the US attack Iran? Would Russia and China threaten the US with military action if we did a retaliatory strike against Iran, even as we buried our hundreds of thousands that were killed by the strike?
I have no inside track on the effectiveness of the sanctions. It may be crippling the economy in Iran, but the ones who control the weaponry, who control the industry, who control the country, are not suffering under the sanctions. The sanctions only work if the citizenry hold the leaders accountable, and we saw what happened when they tried that following the last mockery of an election.
But by all means, do not instigate aggression.
For that, I give you Leon Panetta.
http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=2978
And from Israel Hayom, I like this little blurb they put in one of their issues:
"Today, an Islamic hacking group announced that they had infiltrated Ha'aretz's network and posted messages. We are grateful for that announcement, in that most readers of Ha'aretz have difficulty tellng the difference."
A Commentator, have we done a headswing from the Palestinian issue to the Iran issue? Perhaps, but on the ground I think not. Business as usual is going on, on the ground. What makes this thing with Iran so heinous is that should Iran actually develop nuclear material, and the means to deploy it, would they do what they threaten? In 2007 Ahmadinejad said there was no reason they needed to purify Uranium to 90 percent. Just last month the Iranian scientists working on the project asked the IAEA if they could purify Uranium to 90 percent, and they said it was to fuel their nuclear powered submarines. And what else?
There are those who will make sure that the Palestinian issue is not forgotten. Should Israel take no notice of pending anihilation for the sake of peace with the Palestinians?
These are thorny issues to be sure, and I find it most reprehensible that the fact that it's an election year comes into play AT ALL. And perhaps it may serve well to have Mitt Romney seem like a no - nonsense bulldog without vascillation on the issues. I suspect he will be our next president, and if he is, it may do us well to have the Iranians fear his succession to the Presidency.
Levi we have met before. You acted like my Christian friend, but I think you are a wolf in sheep clothing too, like all other neocons. I am saddened that you, an American would take up the Israeli militant cause. Israel must share the land.
I have Iranian friends, and no one thinks or talks trash against Israel. This is either a New World Order thing, or a dumb Israeli aggression that is going bring WW3. No one, not one, will be supporting Israel then. She will be on her own. Shame on you that you support a foreign country. You should not call yourself an American, and Romney will not win. And you get your uniform on if you want a war. The staunch Jewish supporters of the Israel to do whatever Israel wants, ended with the Iraq debacle. We think like Americans now. We only support what is best for America.
A. Commentator, within the CoH you may call me what you wish. God knows my heart, and there is a truth that we may best apprehend by grappling and searching for it. I don't know about you, but who I am on the Vine is not an "act". Agreement with you is not required to believe the truth, in that if you and I believe the same truth, that is well and good. However, if you have a different opinion, then it is unsupportable unless it can stand up to serious challenge. The same is true of me. My views are invalid unless they can stand up under serious challenge. This is the failing of the atheists. They bring no serious challenge, nor are they able to answer the Christian's challenge, except with what they know to be false.
Time prevents me from explaining to you (with references) the many reasons why WW3 will not take place. I know that Gabrielle told Daniel that "wars and desolations are decreed." The Holocaust was a desolation. But a world wide war will not yet come; not until the Great Tribulation, which will be initiated by a Muslim messiah.
http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/12th-imam.htm
I also point you to Daniel 9:27, 2d Thessalonians 2, and while many tout Jesus's statements recorded in Mathew 24 as evidence of the Church going through the Great Tribulation, I put forth this scenario:
The next major fulfillment of prophecy is the rapture of the Church. According to 2d Thessalonians 2, "the man of sin may not be revealed until he who restrains is taken out of the way." The one "who restrains" is the Holy Spirit, resident in the Church of God, the true church.
When the rapture takes place, there will of course be great confusion, and national conversion in Israel. The Muslim messiah, hailed as a peacemaker, will usher in a world-government bringing peace. he will even allow the Temple to be rebuilt in Jerusualem (see Daniel 9:27; "make a covenant with the many for the continuation of sacrifice and offering".
When there is national conversion in Israel, they will be absolutely tearing up the Bible to find out what happened, how they missed it, what to do next, etc. and they will come upon Mathew 24. That was written for them. After 3 1/2 years, this Muslim messiah, this "man of sin", popularly called the Antichrist (a misnomer), will turn and usher in the Great Tribulation, taking his place in the Temple and proclaiming himself to be God. And after he has a 3 1/2 year (one seven and half a seven) time span to murder all who will not convert, taking the mark of the beast ( could it be the scar on the forehead from praying to allah five times a day? This is a source of pride for muslims.), Jesus will return and destroy him, ushering in the Millenium...His 1000 year reign on earth.
As for Israel, God has fulfilled His promises, recorded many times in the prophetic books, and brought about the rebirth of the nation of Israel, and is bringing the sons of Jacob back to the land He promised to the descendants of Isaac ("through Isaac shall your seed be called"). If you cannot see and understand that there are many who hate Israel, then please expand your reading. Okay, your Iranian friends do not talk trash about Israel. They are a resevoir of either common sense or 'I don't care', but their sentiments are not at all shared by many powerful people in this world. Do you not know that the leadership of Iran...the Ayatollahs, Ahmadinejad, the Imams, etc....have publicly stated that their intent is the anihilation of Israel?
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=256417
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
A. Commentator, I am glad that you concern yourself with these matters. I urge you most strenuously. Search for the truth, wherever it may lead. I know there are those who say that we must be anti-Israel to be pro-Palestinian, and that we must be anti-Palestinian to be pro-Israel. People want to squeeze us into a box they have prepared for themselves, and it is a common failing among mankind to judge others according to one's own proclivities. To the liar, everyone is a liar. That's why those who cling to the truth are incorrectly characterized.
Levi:
I don't know that it will be a Muslim who is the anti-christ. In his book the Late Great Planet Earth. Hal Lindsey seems to believe as I do that the anti-christ will come from Rome, the center of the Roman Empire. Which is rising again.
Many in this world hate the Jews. The reasons they give are their own self assured reasons for it. I honestly believe the real reason behind most of the hatred is because they are God's chosen. Those who hate God hate His people.
Peace my friend.
North Korea has been acting up lately. Why have we not threatened to bomb them?
Do you really think that Obama is that evil, that he and his military advisors would put his reelection ahead of national security. Really?! If Iran is that close to wiping out Israel (and I can not confirm this is what is really being said, because I do not speak Farsi) and hitting us in the US, would this administration miss protecting us? Really? Think about it. All I know is that this generation of militant Israel is so offensive and misleading to those who profess the teachings of Yeshua. I think the enemy is now entrenched in our politics and apostate Christianity in America.
And the Haartz is being hacked?! When and where does this stop?! And who is going to pay for the support to Israel if we should have to war with Iran?! Who will pay for the war?! Not China. And are you willing to go to the front line first to "protect" what?! Just what are we protecting?! Like I said above, the CIA lost credibility with the mistake of making us believe that we were in imminent danger in Iraq with the made up WMDs.
I may be throwing pearls before swine, but I tell you, quit worrying about these earthly kingdoms and their politics. They will never get it right.
I am so grateful that I live in a country where I can share the freedom of my speech and opinion. And my opinion is that I see this whole nuclear threat as smoke and mirrors. For the last decade, all Faux news and the neocons have been delivering is fear, real war, real causalities, greed, and a world wide economic collapse.
I have no fear about Iran launching a missle into Israel or the US. I believe it is just propaganda.
So again, I would suggest Israel get seated at the table of negotiations, because any real Child of God is concerned with laying their life down for their enemy. Christ did it on the cross, and that is the life he calls us to. To love others as yourself.
You see why the Revelation reveals that Christ will return to the Israel that finally bends its knee to the Messiah. Not Zionism, not nationalism, not patriotism, not neocon ideals that says we have to hit our enemies first. The Remnant of Israel will finally understand this and realize their sin of pride. God holds Israel accountable. God expects much, as much as been given to Israel. Yes, they were first chosen by God. His covenant remains.
I am praying for both Israel and Iran. That God wakes their hearts up to His Majesty. I am praying for Muslims as well. They too will be in the New Jerusalem along with many Palestinians.
Cowboy Grandpa, I lamented all during church my lack of time to respond to your post. I shall do so following my response to A. Commentator.
(and I can not confirm this is what is really being said, because I do not speak Farsi)
That is a common dodge among those who deny that Ahmadinejad has stated his desire for the destruction of Israel. There was some mistranslation. I am NOT saying that is what you are doing here. However those who put forth such views are being disingenious and assuming that what Ahmadinejad has said in English, has been quoted as saying in English, is in reality something else entirely. And again, I will say this for you, that it is not the common citizens of Iran who may or may not be anti-Israel. It is the Ayatollahs, the Imams and Mullahs, and the leadership that buys into their crazy version of future history. The people who have their finger on the button, so to speak, they are the ones who desire the destruction of Israel.
Some 10 years ago, my wife told me about a modern day prophet she had been listening to, and he spoke of the world coming to a point when nuclear missiles are flying through the air towards Israel, but God knocks them out of the air, and they fall harmlessly to the ground. Well, the proof of it would be if that actually happens. Unmistakeably the missiles launched by Iran and/or Israel, fall to the ground. The atheistic view would be multiple malfunction, or some radio wave interference, or sunspots, or the humidity in the desert, or lack of it, or some other thing than God did it. But we who know Him will know better!
Do you really think that Obama is that evil, that he and his military advisors would put his reelection ahead of national security.
No, I do not. I think he's clueless, a terrible leader, and that he's making decisions based on trying to look good and not make waves until he gets re-elected. He walked out of budget negotiations, and went home. He condemned Honduras when they legally removed a would-be dictator from office. I have no desire to list all his debacles here, but it is sufficient to say that leadership is not his strong suit. I do think he talks a great game, though. Problem is, that's how he conducted his administration. It has nothing to do with his skin color. And one way God would punish and chastise a nation is to give them inept leadership. One way.
You see why the Revelation reveals that Christ will return to the Israel that finally bends its knee to the Messiah. Not Zionism, not nationalism, not patriotism, not neocon ideals that says we have to hit our enemies first. The Remnant of Israel will finally understand this and realize their sin of pride. God holds Israel accountable. God expects much, as much as been given to Israel. Yes, they were first chosen by God. His covenant remains.
YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!
And that bowing of the knee to Messiah will take place after the huge "O MY SWEET JESUS!" moment following the rapture of the church. We've been saying it. It's in the Bible. We've been proclaiming it. It is no great secret that we believe it will come to pass. Remember, Paul spoke of a "partial hardening", and a "veil over the eyes" of Israel, "until the fulness of the Gentiles come in to the church." When the "fulness of the Gentiles come into the church", the rapture will happen, and this "veil" will be removed. This is why I say that Mathew 24 is written for them.
Cowboy,
Christians are hated as well. And if we were really acting like Christ, then even the secular Jews would be killing us. Jesus came through the Jews, but He came for every sinner on this planet, including Ahmadinejad. He can not return until His Chosen people believe that He was the Messiah, God in human form. Until then, we keep inviting the lost to His Feast, including those that want to harm us.
Be careful of the apostasy.
#5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:11 PM ESTHe can not return until His Chosen people believe that He was the Messiah, God in human form.
A. Commentator, can you provide support for this statement? How do you arive at this conclusion? What if His return is what causes His chosen people to believe that He is the Messiah, God in human form? Remember Revelation 7. The 144,000 are those who are sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel (and are NOT the Jehovah Witnesses or the Mormons) who "came out of the Great Tribulation".
What if His return is what causes His chosen people to believe that He is the Messiah, God in human form?
And that is why many will fall under the false teachings of the Antichrist. Find yourself a good Bible interpreter, and beware of the many false prophets that will come.
Jesus promised that His elect, will not be fooled. It won't be possible. "My sheep know my voice," The nation of Israel do not hear His voice, yet.
I can not post links yet on Newsvine, but I would recommend a good book, Because the Time is Near by John MacArthur. He talks about the Remnant of Israel who will preach the Gospel in the Tribulation. No, I clearly meant Israel and not the Mormons when I speak of the Remnant. John MacArthur also for a time talked about a possible Middle Easter antichrist, but has since backed off from that.
I highly agree that there are Muslim extremists, as much as there are Christian extremists even in our own country, that are murdering abortion doctors. Then there was the horrible incident over last summer, regarding the killing of children on the island, all because they were "liberal." There is an extreme right wing evil from the United Kingdom, to Israel all the way to here, in the US. There is also an evil liberal agenda, but both of these ideologies will meet up to the same evil world leader.
I want to remind you again, this world, its future, its past all belongs to the Almighty God. He is in control, and He will in His time, bring His Will to pass. Your only purposeis to bring Him glory, and not worship the idols of nationalism in earthly kingdoms. This world is going to pass away. But the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. Why, because the same power that resurrected Him, is protecting His Elect. We may lose our earthly lives, but we will live again with Him. It is going to get testy for Christians in this country. It is going to get tough for the Real Christians, that know His Voice, and not the false political prophets. Hitler prophesed to be a Christian too.
A. Commentator. we do not HAVE to disagree. Okay?
Let's not be confused here. What I am speaking of is Jesus, according to the Scriptures, appearing in the heavens and the rapture of the Church takes place. It is then the Muslim messiah will arise, the man of sin, popularly called the Antichrist.
Now, the Bible also tells us who it is who is deceived. The one who denies that Jesus came in the flesh...this is the spirit of antichrist. Muslims may concede a man named Jesus walked the earth, but they deny His divinity, even though they are commanded to honor Him in the Quran.
There is wickedness and evil in all the world. Some of this wickedness takes the name of the righteous. Jesus spoke of this also, as did Paul the Apostle.
I'm not sure what you mean by "a good Bible interpreter". The meaning of the passages I've shared are clear. I see what you are posting is mostly truth, but I must wonder at your lack of Biblical referencing. There is indeed an opposition to the truth that must be addressed, but I think you are perhaps trying to do that here. If you feel I am embracing the false, then using Scripture and recent newsarticles and writings to support your position, tell me where you feel I am wrong, and why. Simply stating a position does not guarantee it's veracity.
This:
Most significantly, he makes clear his adherence to the standard dispensational timeline: a pre-tribulational rapture of the church, a seven year period of tribulation, a “great tribulation” in the final three and a half years of the seven year tribulation period, the second coming of Christ, the battle of Armageddon, the thousand year earthly kingdom of Christ (the millennium), the great white throne judgement, unbelievers cast into the lake of fire, and the redeemed in a new heaven and new earth.
from here:
http://www.jeffriddle.net/2007/10/book-review-part-1-john-mac-arthurs.html
If indeed that is John MacArthur's views, I agree with him. If you feel I am in error, use the Bible and prove me wrong.
If we are going to declare that Jesus's sheep know His voice, and that He will keep them from error, then it begs the question; who are His sheep? Are you His sheep? Am I? Can you justly say I am or am not, as you stated in your second post (a wolf in sheep's clothing)?
And you did not answer my question. Can you provide proof for this statement? Or at least tell me where you go it?
He can not return until His Chosen people believe that He was the Messiah, God in human form.
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/1329/israel-in-the-tribulation
Grace to You, Resources, then sermons then: Israel in the tribulation
His sheep are those who like Peter:
"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Peter answered, "You are the Christ." Mark 8:29
We can not say He is the Christ, without His Holy Spirit.
And we recognize the fruit of His Spirit.
Listening/reading...nothing new so far. This is it.
Okay, not many people differentiate between the rapture and the 2d coming of Jesus Christ. If you are so doing, then we may discuss and hold discourse. The first appearing, which will bring about the rapture of the Church, is not actually a "return" as He will not set down on earth. We will rise to meet Him. But this event will bring about national conversion of Israel.
And this may be to what you are referring:
Verse 34 is a very significant statement in view of that. Listen to what it says. "This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled." You say well, God may change His mind. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but," what, "my word will never pass away." God is not going to change His mind.
"This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled." Now if we take this generation, genia, which means race or nation to mean Israel. Then it means that Israel will not pass away until they go through the tribulation. So if that is the interpretation you want to take that proves the point right there. And it's a very possible and very likely interpretation that Israel will not pass away till all the tribulation takes place.
This is not stating that the rapture cannot take place until they believe. If you are recognizing that the rapture is not a 'return', then that is a fix of the issue I was having with that comment, and we are in agreement, even though I find it a peculiar statement. The "chosen people" will believe in Jesus the Messiah as a supernatural consequence to the rapture of the church. When Jesus actually returns to earth, he will destroy the antichrist, and usher in the Millenial rule of Christ. How blessed are those who will live to see the rapture of the church! It will only be a short while over 7 years that they will return to rule, with Him!
Yes dear Levi, I understand the Rapture will occur before He sets down in Jerusalem.
But aside from all your postings, I just want to make sure that you are not worshipping a nation, a flag, but a God. And to be most honest, I think that Israel is on a crash course to hell, because, they are not honoring to God, and it is very evident in their not wanting to come to the table to talk peace. Yes, I know the Arabs and Persians have been unreasonable, and crafty and dangerous.
But someone has to give, and forgive. Look at what we did to Japan, with the nuclear bombs. Now, they are America's friend. The hate in Israel has got to stop. This hate has been going on for generations, and it continues. So if you read back to your post regarding Romney being some kind of strong leader, and will take care of the Iranian problem, which I interpret to mean, will agree to assist in bombing Iran, then you are close to being called a Zionist. And when I say Zionist, I mean the 21st century meaning, which is a neocon, a militant and dangerous. I do not mean Judaism. And also because you become awfully defensive when I suggest that I can not understand and hear with my own ears, what Iran is saying. Did I hear with my own ears, that Iran is going to build a nuke, and aim it at Israel, to wipe them off the face of the earth? No, I only hear what the Media wants me to hear. Yes, I know the regime of Iran is pagan, and so is China. China is even more pagan and evil than the musings of the Islamic extremists. So I believe this whole decades long since Israel had become a nation, has been only peaceful, because the US paid Israel and Egypt, and the rest of the evil Arab dictatorships, American money to play nice in the middle east. Now, the Israel influence is so strong in our government, that we are being told by Israel how to run our military. And I don't know if you are an American, but there is just too much foreign influence in our country, which is to protect Israel. The very Israel that is blatantly taking us into enemy territory. You say that is bad leadership on the part of our president?! I say that is exactly what a good leader of this country should be doing. Yes, I think GW Bush was a puppet for Israel. I don't think Obama is.
It's as clear as day now. And I will say it again. The neocons failed miserably in Iraq. There were no weapons. It was a premptive strike for what?! So that is what we all believe is going on again. Israel and Saudi want us to strike Iran. But this time, we will get hit by Russia and China. If you are an American, why then are you still defending the Israel cause. I don't believe a word our CIA says, as they have been corrupted by the military war complex, and I think this power will eventually become the One World Order.
So I think Zionists are posing as Christians, so they can persuade us to persuade our government leaders to protect the national interests of Israel, even though it will be detrimental to our nation. I think that is how the Antichrist will get a stronghold in this nation, if he hasn't already.
So, when man takes his dirty little hand off of trying to control the middle east, and pray for the middle east, and pray for all of the Islamic extremists, to come to know the God of Abraham and Jacob, and to believe in the power of the Holy Spirit, rather than the power of military might, then you will see the Hand of God move. If you call yourself a Christian, you can't continue to war in these wars. Hating and fighting is so far removed from His Kingdom. You turn the other cheek.
The enemy is just using you like he did in the Crusades. Religions will always be political. Now we have come full circle again. Dark against light. Christian against Muslim. It is the oldest trick of the enemy. What did I read about recently in Israel. A young boy beating an Arab boy. The hate, the hate must stop, and it stops with you.
Maranatha.
And yes, the Jews, the Chosen ones by God to first tell the world about the one and only true God. The very same people, God called "stiff necked," who did not believe Jesus was the Messiah, will come to worship in truth and grace in the Tribulation. In fact, they will be like the first disciples, in Acts, only it will be more powerful. The two witnesses are going to blow the world away.
But until then, you can't tell me that things are not getting weird with the plans to build the new temple, and offer animal sacrifices, to get back to the "old" way they did worship in Israel. Come on, Jesus was that sacrifice. He tore the temple curtain down. And that is why Peter was attacked by the Jews. Peter had a message of Jesus Christ that changed the first century, and is still changing the world. It's simple. We are sinners, and the only way to the Father is through Jesus. The Remnant of Jews will be like those faithful in the book of Acts.
I actually came up with a diagram that shows religion and relationship. Religion is where men must go through something or someone to access God. It could be church, friends, relationships, mentors, priests, rabbis, preachers, and so on. But with relationship, imagine an arrow going straight up to God, then coming back down to end in church, friends, relationships, mentors, priests, rabbis, etc...Everything we do should flow out of our relationship with God. Jesus said, "You hear the wind and can tell from where it comes, but you do not know where it goes. Such is one born of the Spirit." The fulfillment of that Scripture is impossible in the life of men without relationship first, through which everything else flows.
There is much in this world that is wrong, and will not be resolved until He comes. I say that not to lightly wave my hand at atrocities that occur. There are many situations in this world where the fix lies not in the realm of men.
I wonder how much of this whole flaptrap about Iran is the product of a media that needs the outrageous to sell the news.
Levi, this world will never be right till He comes again.
We who know Him, the Son of God, know this world will never be fair or just. And we may have to suffer, which He told us we would, if we were to follow Him.
I recommend this book to you, The Jesus You Can't Ignore by John MacArthur. It is testimony to the power of God through His Son.
Yes, the Jews have suffered, but so have Christians, until the time of Constantine. The enemy is behind the scenes, working in kingdoms, and man made world religions. When the Tribulation happens, Jews will be leading the world to conversion to Jesus Christ. They will be sharing the Gospel, all the while the pagans will be spitting, hitting, jailing, and even putting them to death. And you may be surprised who the pagans might be. Might not be the Islamic extremists.
God will bring us home. I may even recognize you on that Glorious day!
Peace!
A. Commentator:
Cowboy,
Christians are hated as well. And if we were really acting like Christ, then even the secular Jews would be killing us. Jesus came through the Jews, but He came for every sinner on this planet, including Ahmadinejad. He can not return until His Chosen people believe that He was the Messiah, God in human form. Until then, we keep inviting the lost to His Feast, including those that want to harm us.
Be careful of the apostasy.
Jesus Christ died for every sin ever committed, so every sinner can be cleansed through accepting Him and His Way. Not every sinner will, and that is their choice.
We are indeed to share the word of God through Jesus Christ filled with The Holy Spirit, we are not to deny the word being shared to anyone. But we are also to not cast our pearls among the swine, lest they be trampled in the swill of the pigs. Where the Word of God is not accepted we remove our peace and leave them to their end, shaking the dust off of our feet.
The Apostacy is happening now as you will see the joining of non believers with believers in order to water down the message of Christ The Lord as being the only Way to Salvation.
Interesting your take on Christ's not being able to return until His Chosen people accept that He is the Messiah, God in the flesh. I don't see it that way at all.
I see Christ as being long suffering and allowing all that will come to Him to come. He is giving all the people in this world the time to repent for He takes no pleasure in the deaths of the wicked.
As far as inviting the lost to His Feast. Absolutely, we show them Christ and allow Him to work as He does through The Holy Spirit. We do not beat them up and force a conversion upon them. We do not tell them they are not loved by God unless they accept Christ.
We show them Christ in our Love of Him and the changed lives we have in Him. In other words, not by hatred, but by our Love of Him, which makes us able to love them.
The reasons I think the one called "Antichrist", the man of sin, will be Muslim, are these:
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
"one 'seven'" is a period of seven years. "In the middle of the 'seven'" means 3 1/2 years. Putting an end to sacrifice and offering means that the temple will be rebuilt, as one cannot put an end to that which is not in place.
And really, who could pull off getting the Palestinians, indeed the Muslim world, to sign off on allowing Israel to rebuild the Temple?
I have constantly put forth that it does not matter if we believe that the 12th Imam is real. Iran does, and it flavors all that Ahamadinejad does. It would behoove the West to understand what drives the man. He may be insane, but he is cleverly so, and is a true believer.
Levi and cowboygrandpa,
Gotta go to work so no time to add anything AND I could never compose half as well as the two of you are doing here. My heart is actually applauding the both of you. The excitement is, well...exciting!!! :) Will be back in the wee hours to see what else has been written.
#6 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:33 PM ESTI concur, very strong discussion. The only thing I might add is that I find John McArthur's commentaries support your views. And if you ever do any fictional reading, Joel Rosenberg's geo-political novels are a very interesting light read for Christians.
lost in America, I've perused book reports on John McArthur's writings. The book reports tell me that he adheres to Biblical truth. Joel Rosenberg, huh? I'll check 'im out.
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